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Software development and software engineering could be the first economically viable capability that closes the gap between humans and AI, says Eiso Kant, the CTO of frontier AI company poolside. He shares what these changes mean for his company and sector, and for knowledge work generally. He also explains what he sees ahead and why he stays cautious about tech forecasts and predictions. Lastly, he breaks down how worry and fear can be a motivator to drive true learning and understanding in a fast-moving space, and the question we should ask to understand how we can uniquely contribute to societies and economies in the years ahead.
This interview was recorded in January 2025 at the World Economic Forum Annual Meeting in Davos, Switzerland.
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03:30 – Dairy protein grown without cows: Lactoferrin supports immunity, boosts gut health and improves digestion – but right now, 90% of the global supply goes into expensive baby formula, primarily in one market. Producing lactoferrin requires vast quantities of milk – a problem where Fengru Lin, CEO of Turtle Tree, has spotted an opportunity. TurtleTree uses precision fermentation to create pure lactoferrin in a cow-free process – by getting microbes to do the growing instead.
06:06 – Afrobeat song teaches cybersecurity: Cybersecurity is crucial, but experts often miss out on one key aspect: making it fun. That’s why the Cybersafe Foundation has tapped into Africa’s vibrant musical heritage to bring you something you thought you’d never hear – an Afrobeat track that riffs on two-factor authentication. Here, CyberSafe’s founder Confidence Staveley explains how the song came about.
08:12 – Does money talk make you anxious?: Having open conversations about money can be the first step on the journey to long-term financial stability, says Lin Shi, an academic, actuary and World Economic Forum Global Shaper. That’s why she founded the Money Health Collective – a free-to-access online space that facilitates open conversations about money in a supportive community, with the aim of helping users build a brighter financial future.
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Join this closing plenary to explore the most promising approaches to building intelligent economies and societies as the Annual Meetings of the Global Future Councils and Cybersecurity draw to a close.
Emerging technologies like AI, quantum computing and synthetic biology are advancing faster than regulations can keep up. As these innovations reshape economies and societies, regulators face mounting pressure to keep pace, manage complex risks and enable innovation at the same time.
What strategies can help governments stay ahead of rapid change and make regulatory systems more agile, adaptive and forward-looking?
Food innovation is transforming how we grow and consume – but technology alone can’t overcome the barriers that shape food access and equity.
From drought-resistant crops and new ingredients to AI-driven farming, which innovations can break through political and economic divides to create a more just and resilient food future?
Neurotechnology holds immense promise – not just in treating neurological conditions but in enhancing well-being, cognitive liberty and self-determination. At the same time, it raises profound ethical and societal questions.
How do we ensure these technologies develop in ways that are safe, equitable and aligned with human flourishing?
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Trade reforms and tariff uncertainty have heightened security concerns, making it increasingly challenging to protect critical industries and technologies while striving to maintain open markets.
How can global collaboration be strengthened to address emerging threats and safeguard the integrity of the international trading system?
Climate disasters are disrupting industries from agriculture to finance, exposing deep vulnerabilities in supply chains, infrastructure and communities worldwide.
From precision fermentation to green concrete, what are the most promising emerging technologies that can strengthen planetary resilience when climate risks know no boundaries?
